Mark Driscoll, Rachel Held Evans, and “Effeminate” Worship Leaders: Why Love and Prayer Must be at the Center of Disagreement

An explosion of emotion which had been bubbling below the surface of the American Christian Church exploded yesterday. Mark Driscoll, a leader and pastor of not only his church Mars Hill, but millions of others across the country—was blasted yesterday by Rachel Held Evans and hundreds of her readers. Driscoll posted a rather questionable and offensive update to his Facebook page “So what story do you have about the most effeminate anatomically male worship leader you’ve ever personally witnessed?”

When I first saw this post in my stream, my reaction was disapproving but ultimately dismissive. I kept scrolling on. But one could easily be offended by such opinions and unbecoming questions of a pastor with such clout.

Rachel seems to certainly have been one of those who was quite upset, and for good reason. She fired back with her post “Mark Driscoll is a bully. Stand up to him” in which she calls the church to write letters to Mars Hill church encouraging them to rein in their teaching pastor. She rightly pointed out that this was not the first offense Driscoll has given in his very public views on manhood and regaining “manliness” in the Church.

And in a certain sense, Rachel is right. These comments are very public and as such should be dealt with and discussed publicly.

What followed, however, was a barrage of bickering between supporters of Driscoll and those who generally dislike this pastor or have just had enough. Many re-posted the letters and emails they sent to Mars Hill—written with love or bile.

But what has seemed to be missing from all this criticism and conversation about Driscoll is a more peaceful and loving, even sad, demeanor in which we join together in prayer and corrective support. But rage has been the palpable tone which Rachel (though well controlled) and others (less so controlled) have taken—even by those defending Driscoll.

Driscoll, in my view, is off base. His zeal for manliness goes too far. Not all of us are UFC-loving, chain necklace wearing, rock-and-roll loving people. And that is good. We are a diverse people and Driscoll targets and reaches a certain audience that Rachel, myself, or even his theological companion John Piper could never reach.

The difficulty is, however, that because of his platform, localized and targeted statements become offensive and exaggerated. Regardless, Driscoll is wrong—most especially by the tone and mocking verbiage through which he chose to express his view. And whether the removal of the post is indication of his remorse or simply a strategic move by his church, the damage is done.

But this pastor is a man—a sinful, fallen, prone-to-mistakes mortal. His personality and personal views bled through into his pastoral platform. And his preferences on worship and dress are his own. We ought not condemn the man. We ought to lovingly pray for him. We ought to pray that the devil is bound, Driscoll’s carnal nature would be held at bay by the spirit, and that he would be given a renewed spirit of discernment.

Moreover, we ought to all recall Jon Acuff’s satyrical discussion of just this same issue in the much beloved “Understanding how Metrosexual Your Worship Leader is.” Acuff uses such discussions to cut past church practices that ought to be laughed at to get to the deeper issues. We all laughed at ourselves and discussed the deeper message.

Is Acuff that much different from Driscoll? The tone they take is night and day, to be sure. But both want to discuss the same issue.

But perhaps worse yet is the outright condemnation of a pastor who has been pivotal to re-awakening us all to missions in the 21st century. Some of Driscoll’s earliest writings are packed with the call to re-engage our generation as active participants for Christ rather than isolationists or indolent church attendees.

Perhaps our grandmother’s old adage is most apt here: Eat the meat and spit out the bones. Like any person, Driscoll is both inspired and flawed. Let us love and pray for him in a manner becoming of a brother in Christ.

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What do you think Driscoll Meant by “Effeminant”? Do you condemn or approve?

Do you think the reactions to his post are warranted?

How much grace, love, and patience should be shown a leader with such clout? 

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  • http://www.tonyjalicea.com Tony Alicea

    I LOVE your perspective here, Jonathan.

    I want to preface my responses to your questions with the fact that Driscoll’s update was ignorant at best and offensive at worst. 

    I think Driscoll meant exactly what effeminate means. “Having feminine qualities untypical of a man”. I saw way too many people reading into his comment to mean that women were inferior or that feminine qualities are bad. To me, that’s reaching. It felt like people were taking offense to an implication. That is always a precarious place to stand.

    I think a reaction is warranted but not the ones (most of them anyways) that I’ve seen. I believe this is an opportunity to address a real issue. Rather than attack the character of the man (which is just really symptomatic anyways), we can use this as an opportunity to discuss the issue at hand. Sure, disagree with what was said. But then use it as a springboard to address the issue of what masculinity and femininity means. Get great dialogue going around that, rather than creating a forum to bash the character of a man. 

    Grace, love and patience should abound. Mostly because 99.9% of the people in the discussion don’t know Pastor Driscoll personally. If I had a personal relationship with him, I would go to him directly. I would discuss the issue and rebuke in love, with the intention of restoration, not condemnation. That seems to be the big difference. You can’t rebuke and restore someone in love without a personal relationship.

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      Awesome ! So true. We all do need a dialogue over this issue of femininity and masculinity. I, for one, feel precarious whenever we start tearing down any person. And while I understand the pain and frustration some may feel, forgiveness, love, and patience are just as much fruit of the spirit as restraining one’s tongue. It would seem all of this has pushed into the hypocritical already.  

    • http://popparables.com Keri

      Incidentally, I think much of Driscoll’s sensationalist remarks are intended to evoke a response and start a conversation.  I think he wants to start a dialogue, but he just goes about it in a manner that is offensive to many.

      I think one of the greatest problems in the Body of Christ is that we don’t know how to have open and honest dialogue when we do disagree.  We quickly resort to name calling and stereotypes.  There are few people I have met {myself included} who are able to have a discussion about deep matters {theological, cultural, scientific, or otherwise} in which we disagree without allowing our emotions to drive the response.  I think throwing out such powerful terms as effeminate pushes people’s buttons and draws a reaction that isn’t exactly rational, logical or meaningful {as evidenced by the hundreds of comments on Evans’ blog and Driscoll’s FB status}.

      I’m grateful for my brothers and sisters in Christ who have respectfully and thoughtfully engaged in dialogue on matters of disagreement, all the while placing the love of Christ at the center of the discussion.

  • http://twitter.com/macomrade Jason James Martin

    Perfect balance in response…this is what it means to be the body, and to show his grace in unity. What else can do this but the Church.

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      Thanks for the visit and comment Jason! True enough, the church needs a balanced perspective. Of course we need to correct. But we ALWAYS need to be guided by love, grace, peace, and patience. The Holy Spirit can only give us these as we have become part of the Body of Christ. Thanks again!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Phillip-Martin/1217281007 Phillip Martin

    Good stuff here! Driscoll needs to quit playing the wiener card…if your born with a wiener according to him you have to be like Chuck Liddell and pee standing up lol

  • http://popparables.com Keri

    Laying in bed last night, I was thinking of this whole drama with Driscoll and I was reminded of Acuff’s post as well. I think it’s great that you brought that up, Jonathan.  However, I think the term “metrosexual” is must less derogatory and homophobic in nature than the term “effeminate”.  To me, that’s a big difference.  While I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, I have been greatly convicted about the use of homophobic language and jokes.  To me, they are the equivalent of a racial slur, which is also something everyone should avoid. 

    I think  the reactions to Driscoll’s post, as you mentioned, were brewing beneath the surface for a long time.  To me, this statement was the straw that broke the camel’s back.  Personally, I stopped following Driscoll on FB and Twitter just a few months after I started because I just didn’t benefit from the constant negativity that seemed to stream from him in those forums.  Pastor with clout or just every day dude, I don’t need that in my life. 

    Seven times seventy is what I think of in this situation.  He is offered the same grace, love and patience as the rest of us, and none of us is deserving of it.  But, as a pastor, a leader, and a teacher, I think Driscoll {and all leaders, pastors, and teachers} should be held above reproach according to the standards of Scripture {i.e. I Timothy 3}. 

    Thanks for sharing a side of the issue that needs to be shared, Jonathan.  You take an even handed approach that I think needs to heard. 
     
     

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      I think you have something here Keri. Driscoll’s over-the-top manliness is a bit much. And his derogatory comments and words are inappropriate. Acuff was far more careful. I understand Driscoll because many friends I had growing up were like him—weirded out by the gay kid and constantly proving their manliness with physical feats and calling each other “gay.” It is offensive, if for no other reason, to people we are trying to reach with the Gospel and it isn’t a good witness. Thanks for your thoughts Keri. 

  • Guest

    The Driscoll that I tend to see is harsh and abrassive…and these are not qualities I wish to give time to read about so I choose not to pay attension to his postings/opinions, because I have often found in the past that they do not match the opinions of Jesus found in the scriptures…Rachel pounced on his recent comment and asked that people respond by writting emails, and many of her readers did so…interesting side note: in the poetic introduction of Rachel’s blog entry there was a link to a letter written by someone who identified with the “effeminate” adjective used to describe a generic worship leader, it was worth reading…both sides were heated and maybe took things too far, but I honestly have a hard time giving Driscoll any of my attension or allowing him to have any influence on my theology because his attitudes/actions have always seemed to miss the mark and the good things he says are said by many others without need to seem manly…I like UFC, I play sports, I lift weights, I do the Driscoll man things and he still rubs me the wrong way.

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      Driscoll, for me, has been a good source of influence for me—most of the time. I think his books and sermons are worth reading and watching. That being said, I do not agree with every word that passes through his lips. As one who likes wearing a pink tie once and a while and am largely a passivist, Driscoll’s mainlines turns me off. But he also has an incredible way of recruiting male 20-somethings who are largely absent from the church. 

  • Jackie

    Loving and praying for people is part of our job, but sometimes you also have to stand up and do something. Rachel stood up and asked people to do something. We are all allowed different views, but some views regarding people who have different appearances, sexuality, anatomy, whatever have become too hurtful to just love and pray. Calling out those who disrespect and judge those with lesser power was something Christ did and I’m happy to be part of the mission.

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      Well said Jackie. I do think that something should be done. By all means, if the Spirit compels us to speak, we absolutely should! My concern is that we remember that we should be praying for this man in love—not necessarily rage. Driscoll is off base, but how we correct someone (especially publicly) is just as important as what we are correcting. 

  • Amanda

    This response is fantastic. Thank you!!!

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      Thanks Amanda! And thanks for visiting and commenting! We are a young site chomping at the bit to get out there and make an impact! 

  • Tmarsh0307

    Jonathan,

    I appreciate your kind tone and balanced response to Driscoll and Rachel Evans. However, I am a pastor and also serve on our community’s Domestic Violence Resource Center, and offer this perspective as both: what Mark Driscoll posted on facebook was demeaning to a certain segment of the male population, and promotes/encourages such behavior among his followers. It reveals prejudice and disdain for a certain segment of the male population. For you, this is an example of Driscoll’s falleness, which you and I also share. No one is perfect. However, for Driscoll, this is part of his theology. He does not acknowledge this as fallen behavior. He continues to repeat this pattern of behavior, possibly covering for his own lack of self-esteem.

    Not only that, but he is contributing to bullying. When teenage boys and young men who idolize Driscoll and depend upon him for their theology hear Driscoll make fun of others, they believe that it is OK. We have a pastor in my community who follows Driscoll, and constantly posts facebook statuses making fun of staff members and people who are different. This behavior spreads like wildfire because a celebrity preacher practices it himself.

    Finally, this behavior is bullying and I firmly believe that Rachel Evans acted responsibly calling him out publically. When bullies realize they are outnumbered, they back down. Furthermore, Rachel Evans took a stand for those who (including one respondant) have been victims of such bullying. Real women and men take stands against injustice. If an “effiminate” worship leader threatens Driscoll, or these so-called men who don’t like church, then they should check their own masculinity and sexuality, as well as ask God for a change of heart. We are called to love ALL people. For me the struggle is finding the strength to love a bully.

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      And that is the key, I think. This man is just that, a man. Yes, a pastor will be held accountable for every word. But we must love him nonetheless and forgive him endlessly. This is no justification for his actions and words, but simply a contextual fact on how we should respond. 

      Thanks so much for your comment! 

  • Mmargarit

    Well, I’m pretty sure some of you know how I feel about Driscoll and his ministry, emerging, social gospel and the corporate style of ministry. First of all,  as a pastor and leader in the church of Jesus Christ, he surely brings too much attention to himself, through controversies and behavior. This is not the first time with Driscoll or the last, that contention will be at his doorstep. He just can’t help himself. He just loves the spotlight and thrives on the publicity. He will not accept counsel from leaders, Piper, MacArthur… when it comes to this type of behavior, as he has in the past, because is all about Driscoll and how he wants to run the show, no one else. His discontent for (the way church, ministry, old style religion are ran) has blinded him as to the path of the work of Christ and the Gospel in general. This is not about modernism, twenty something evangelism or another way to incorporate the work of God… It’s all about bringing others, ALL, no matter what age, to the knowledge of the truth, as the work and help of the Holy Spirit adds to the church, not one’s style of preaching or ministry to accomplish that task. 

    Narcissistic behavior is not a prerequisite for the pastorship in the body of Christ, it belongs in Hollywood or Washington DC, not in God’s calling. 

    To me, Driscoll reminds me of Gene Scott and  Benny Hinn without the hair. Not necessary in style, but in anticipation of a controversy waiting to happen, a focus on themselves and not on Christ.  Whether he was in his right or completely wrong, he should totally humble himself and apologize to everyone, for his comments and behavior and move forward. His congregation, the body of Christ, the Gospel and God’s representation, should be Driscoll’s main focus and concern. They deserve the very best from their leaders. We will see, if Driscoll would follow the advice of Scripture. “Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you.” 1 Peter 5:6″Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ.” Philippians 1:27 ”Humility is to make a right estimate of one’s self.”  ~C. H. Spurgeon

  • Chad Goller-Sojourner

    On Any Given
    Sunday

     

    For Pastor/Founder
    Mark Driscoll, Mars Hill

     

     

    He asked, ““So, what story do
    you have about the most effeminate anatomically male worship leader you’ve ever
    personally witnessed?” Which of course is code for “Have you ever had a
    Sissy/Fag/Homosexual worship leader? ─ Some people really should guard their
    words, especially pastors who have chosen to shepherd their flocks in tight
    t-shirts and designer jeans while filling their coffers with money borne of
    stale rhetoric and manufactured hysteria. ─ Still, I feel compelled to reply,
    so know this:

     

    On Any Given Sunday

    A parishioner has just been sexually assaulted;

    Someone is wrestling with another unplanned pregnancy;

    The girl in the third pew has been made to share her
    father’s bed;

    Someone has gambled away the rent money, again;

    Someone is going to Church for the first time, in search
    of a message of hope—

    And they are not saved.

     

    On Any Given Sunday

    A parishioner is struggling with addiction;

    The choir director has just discovered he is HIV Positive;

    A 15-year-old acolyte is starving himself to death because
    he thinks he is fat;

    A young couple is keeping up appearances by taking
    separate cars to Church. Even though they just spent the night together—

    And they are not saved.

     

    On Any Given Sunday

    A parishioner has just lost his union job;

    The mother of the church has to choose between buying food
    and filling a prescription;

    A 17-year-old altar boy is off fighting an unholy war
    because his parents can’t afford to send him to college;

    And they are not saved.

     

    On Any Given Sunday

    An Elder’s wife is using make-up to conceal last night’s
    beatings;

    The junior choir soloist has chosen to give her classmates
    oral sex, rather than spend another semester in isolation;

    A Deacon is embezzling Church funds to support his
    pornography addiction;

    An usher is contemplating suicide;

    Someone is going to Church for the last time, still in
    search of a message of hope.

    And they are not saved.

     

    Yet On Any Given Sunday

    A pastor can be found seeking gossip about “effeminate anatomically male worship leaders”

     

    And still they:

    They the parishioner

    The girl in the third pew

    The choir director

    The 15-year-old acolyte

    The young couple

    The mother of the church

    The 17-year-old altar boy

    The Elder’s wife

    The junior choir soloist

    The Deacon, and

    The usher—

    They are still not saved.

     

    Evangelist Chad Goller-Sojourner ─ Happily
    Skipping with Jesus
    since the Carter Administration

     

    • http://www.theology21.com jonathan Keck

      Thanks for your words and you are right, there is some huge pain in the church and it is populated by many people who are sinful, imperfect, and down-right evil. True enough. I am not sure if this is an image of Mark’s church or the church in general, but you are right in pointing out that we need to keep our eye on the ball. We are called to bring the light of the truth to these people who are in desperate need and not be divisive about dumb comments like those made by Driscoll. All of these issues do exist in our local churches and this is what we should focus on. 

      Thanks again for your thoughts!

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  • Refhtre

    the spelling and grammar errors are a bit jarring